I was trying to find a shot that gave a better perspective of just how huge these trees are... and I think this one works. That's Richard and Deb standing in the old grove that's endangered. Notice there's hardly any snow and no one looks like they're freezing. This is because it's positively balmy here. (well, in Canada that means 4 above the freezing point.) No snow, no mittens? It's the middle of January! It was 40 below at this time last year.